tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post6647964676277735393..comments2024-03-21T03:04:18.673-04:00Comments on Unapologetica: Emotions and Propositional CorrespondenceRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-55315143460933497592013-02-12T17:25:04.766-05:002013-02-12T17:25:04.766-05:00I don't think they have to be unexpected, but ...I don't think they have to be unexpected, but we can go to a movie or club and be disappointed as well as entertained. I guess you could argue the difference is God can control events and thus His emotions. I don't know. More of interest to me would be how emotions would impact divine timelessness or temporality.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-71181752532781359632013-02-12T16:46:24.032-05:002013-02-12T16:46:24.032-05:00"So can God choose to be happy that someone s..."So can God choose to be happy that someone sinned. Or angry that someone has done good?"<br /><br />I do not know.<br /><br />"You can't just use adjectives to define a noun."<br /><br />I thought you wanted a connotative one. Anyway, it's clear that if emotions are sudden and unexpected, then God does not have them; for He is all-knowing. Maybe the correct word to use is FEELING, but the dictionaries say this is synonymous with emotion. I guess God doesn't have feelings/emotions, but how to understand verses like Matt 3:17 - "this is My beloved Son, in whom I am well PLEASED"? Webster defines this word as "affected with agreeable sensations or emotions." But if that's an emotion, then the expression must be anthropopathic. That's obvious. <br /><br />But why must emotions / feelings be unexpected, if people go to places like movie theaters and comedy clubs to expect fun and joy? I dunno.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363145901392951723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-15008360021228946382013-02-12T13:48:26.180-05:002013-02-12T13:48:26.180-05:00"Because he's more powerful."
So ca..."Because he's more powerful."<br /><br />So can God choose to be happy that someone sinned. Or angry that someone has done good?<br /><br />"I think that definition would be, they are occasional and sudden."<br /><br />You can't just use adjectives to define a noun.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-43201930609262196182013-02-12T09:23:39.031-05:002013-02-12T09:23:39.031-05:00"Can you choose to feel happy, sad, or angry?..."Can you choose to feel happy, sad, or angry?"<br /><br />No.<br /><br />"If not, then why should God be able to do so?"<br /><br />Because he's more powerful.<br /><br />"If our inability to emote on command is merely incidental to the essence of what an emotion is, then I still wonder what connotative definition you would provide for it."<br /><br />I think that definition would be, they are occasional and sudden.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363145901392951723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-21802553760884044372013-02-12T01:28:24.510-05:002013-02-12T01:28:24.510-05:00To play devil's advocate, are emotions volitio...To play devil's advocate, are emotions volitional? Can you choose to feel happy, sad, or angry? If not, then why should God be able to do so? God determines what we do, think, and feel, but only the former would be categorized as volitional. If our inability to emote on command is merely incidental to the essence of what an emotion is, then I still wonder what connotative definition you would provide for it.<br /><br />There is a fine line between immobility and immutability, but I don't think divine atemporality or timelessness implies the former. I am open to arguments, as the philosophy time is still a bit of a mystery to me.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-10924591808444673702013-02-11T23:33:48.091-05:002013-02-11T23:33:48.091-05:00I define it like a dictionary does. It seems that ...I define it like a dictionary does. It seems that the word "uncontrolled" only applies to a human's perspective, because God controls (decrees) our emotions, but to us they seem sudden.<br /><br />If God can control our emotions, then it seems he can control his own emotions also. <br /><br />Also, God's immutability is qualified by other passages of Scripture which reveal that God changes things like His laws to the Jews, Hosea 2:11, Matt 5:18, Acts 10:13-15. God himself does not change, for example when He abrogates former laws to the Jews.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363145901392951723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-49499953049934875512013-02-10T20:16:56.916-05:002013-02-10T20:16:56.916-05:00Define emotion. Yes, Clark says they're involu...Define emotion. Yes, Clark says they're involuntary or non-volitional by definition.<br /><br />Impassability is closely related to immutability and [a]temporality. If God has feelings and feelings change, that will call for a less stringent view of immutability. It also would imply God is in time. <br /><br />I don't have any particular leanings at this point, I'm just noting how traditional theological positions would be affected. Clark and those who follow him strictly favor impassability and a stronger view of divine immutability, so they would be less inclined to allow that God emotes.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3295328575953992372.post-770486000943942542013-02-10T18:40:18.785-05:002013-02-10T18:40:18.785-05:00Why can't God have emotions? I think he can ju...Why can't God have emotions? I think he can just control himself to emote without ceasing to be God. But I think Clark's definition says they are uncontrolled and sudden.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363145901392951723noreply@blogger.com